GEO Is Multiplication, Not Addition: Product Substance Is the 1
This episode may offend a lot of people. We're going to talk about GEO, or "Generative Engine Optimization."
Why offend people? Because GEO has become one of the best sources of business profit for a lot of brand marketing and advertising agencies right now. It isn't that hard to do and the investment isn't high, yet brand demand is substantial and brands are especially willing to spend marketing budget on it. Today, though, I want to voice the dissent: GEO is nowhere near as good as it looks, and not every business and not every industry is suited to it.
This episode may offend a lot of people. We’re going to talk about GEO, or “Generative Engine Optimization.”
Why offend people? Because GEO has become one of the best sources of business profit for a lot of brand marketing and advertising agencies right now. It isn’t that hard to do and the investment isn’t high, yet brand demand is substantial and brands are especially willing to spend marketing budget on it. Today, though, I want to voice the dissent: GEO is nowhere near as good as it looks, and not every business and not every industry is suited to it.
First, exactly how GEO is done
GEO stands for Generative Engine Optimization. Here’s the idea. In LLMs like Doubao and DeepSeek, people ask questions and the model writes the answer—and those answers mention brands and products along the way. GEO is the work of getting more information that favors your brand and product into what the model writes.
Roughly, it goes in these steps:
- Work out who you’re selling to and which model they mostly use. If I’m selling to a particular audience in China, the generative engine they use most is Doubao.
- Use AI to generate a set of questions. Have the model itself hypothesize: if my customer segment went to Doubao, what would they ask? Feed those questions to Doubao and look at which industry competitors and which industry news its answers pull in—that’s round one.
- Ask it for its citations. Then you can ask Doubao for the sources behind that generated content: “Where did you get this information?” It will very likely tell you—this came from Zhihu, that came from some official site, that other one came from a video on some video platform. It hands you the sources.
- Write your brand and product information as original, distinctive content AI likes, and publish it on those source platforms. Do enough of it on the platforms it cites and that content gets picked up by search engines; when a user asks, it shows up in the generated answer.
It sounds like a tidy, self-reinforcing machine. And that’s exactly where the problem is.
It’s multiplication, not addition
The first problem to watch: GEO raises the exposure of your brand and product information, but it does not determine how that information gets presented and used.
And in today’s cutthroat consumer market, comparing products takes almost no effort. So if your brand and your product are weak on substance, getting presented may not be an advantage at all. It may be a disaster.
There’s also an argument that GEO is overrated, because the model companies control what gets presented. Say OpenAI’s GPT someday puts an explicit price on placement and folds advertising into its generated answers the way the client wants. It will then find some way to control how often—and in what form—a brand’s own GEO content shows up.
So my core view is this: GEO is multiplication, not addition.
Only when the product is genuinely strong and the brand is being discussed and positively mentioned across the internet does it become an amplifier for that brand and product. It’s the pile of zeros after the 1—but it is not the 1.
That said, GEO isn’t useless. People use search engines less and less, so optimizing this kind of content really does raise brand visibility and convert traffic better. And to a degree it counts as third-party endorsement rather than the brand talking about itself, which makes it carry more weight than other channels. But as I said: ranking alone gets you nothing, and weak product substance turns visibility against you. Get the product and the brand right first, then talk about GEO.
GEO can only raise the probability that an LLM “gets hold of” your brand and product information. It can’t determine how the LLM “uses” that information.
Evidence: I picked a tablet with Claude Code
Take the tablet I bought a while back as an example.
I used AI to find my “chosen one” pad. The prompt I gave Claude Code: released after February 2026, 12 to 14 inches, Android tablet (I don’t like iPads, and I’m not that keen on HarmonyOS either). I also listed a few things I cared about: as thin and light as possible, the best screen quality I could get, a high screen-to-body ratio (i.e. narrow bezels), ideally equal bezels on all four sides (I’m obsessive about this, so narrow and equal on all four sides scores highest).
Working from those requirements, it ran deep research and a head-to-head comparison. Everything it gathered along the way came from channels it judged more credible. It listed 20-plus tablets, generated a full spec comparison, and highlighted the best value in each row—highest resolution, highest screen PPI sharpness, highest refresh rate, highest brightness, all compared.
Then it picked for me based on my requirements: on sharpness, the vivo Pad6 Pro is the best choice—a superb 4K panel hitting 347 PPI, extremely fine. But on weight, the Honor MagicPad 3 Pro is only 450 grams, far below comparable competitors, and it’s also the thinnest, has the largest screen-to-body ratio, and has equal, very narrow bezels on all four sides.
Based on the characteristics I cared about most, it produced a weighted-average scoring table. In the end, the Honor MagicPad 3 Pro (12.3-inch) took the highest weighted score. I love it now that I have it—genuinely thin, equal bezels on all four sides, no hole punch, and remarkably light: about the weight of two phones.
In AI head-to-heads, marketing copy gets stripped bare
So was GEO important in that process? Yes. And not just GEO—SEO matters too. I asked about models released after February 2026, which means the LLM’s own knowledge base may not carry the details. The agent has to run the web search a human would have run, then combine what it finds with its internal knowledge and hand me an advisory-style report with a conclusion. Skip GEO and SEO, and your product’s specs could never have made it into that comparison.
But equally—even if you’ve done SEO and GEO in full, if the product substance isn’t there, if the product itself doesn’t hit consumers’ core needs, then having it presented does nothing.
And you may have noticed: once AI had chewed through all that information, I never saw a brand’s precious value proposition, its slogan, or anything about “our national champion, far ahead of the pack.” None of it survived. All I saw was one question answered: why does this product fit my needs?
In an era where AI makes the decisions, marketing copy is stripped bare, and product substance is the trump card.
So: how much GEO really does for you, which brands should use it, which shouldn’t—I suspect you already have your own answer. Let’s talk in the comments. See you next episode.
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[00:00] Today’s episode might upset a lot of people. Let’s talk about GEO—Generative Engine Optimization. Why do I say it might upset a lot of people? Because GEO has become just about the best profit line a brand marketing or ad agency has going right now. It’s not that hard to do, the cost you put in isn’t especially high, and brand demand for it is pretty strong—brands are very willing to spend marketing budget on it. But today I actually want to raise a dissenting voice: GEO is nowhere near as beautiful as it looks. And it isn’t the case that every
[00:25] business, every industry, is a fit for the GEO approach. So let’s start with the concept and how it gets done. GEO stands for Generative Engine Optimization. Meaning: when people use AI models like Doubao or DeepSeek, the model generates an answer, and inside that generated content there can be brand or product information showing up. What GEO does is make more of that generated content carry information that’s favorable to your brand and product. What kind of
[00:50] consumers do we want to sell our product to? Which model do they mainly use? Say I want to sell to some segment inside China—the generative engine used most domestically is Doubao, right? So I can use AI to generate a batch of questions: if our customer group were using Doubao, what questions would they ask? We can let the model itself make that assumption. Then we feed those questions to the model and look at what Doubao’s answers come back with—competitors in the industry, or news from the industry, that kind of thing.
[01:15] We look at those answers—that’s round one. Then you can ask Doubao to provide the citation sources for what it generated. Just ask Doubao: where did you get this information? And Doubao will very likely come back and say, I got this bit from Zhihu, I got that bit from some company’s official site, I got this other bit from video content on some video platform. It gives us those sources. And then what you actually do next is write your brand and product information into the kind of original, distinctive content that AI likes, and publish it
[01:40] on the platforms it cites. Do enough of that, and the content gets picked up by the search engine, so when your users ask a question, it shows up in what they get back. But there’s one thing we need to watch out for. GEO raises the exposure of your brand and product information, but it can’t decide how that information gets presented or how it gets used. And in today’s brutally competitive consumer environment, comparing products is dead easy. So if our brand, our product,
[02:05] is weak on substance, then showing up might not be an advantage—it might be a disaster. A lot of people say GEO is overrated. Their argument is that the model companies control what gets presented. If one day, say OpenAI’s GPT, right, just puts a price tag on it—mixes advertising into the generated content and presents it however the client asks—then they’ll inevitably use some method to control how often, or in what form, a brand’s own GEO content shows up.
[02:30] So let’s look at it this way: GEO is multiplication, not addition. Only when the product is genuinely solid and the brand is being talked about and positively mentioned across the whole web does it become an amplifier for that brand and product. It’s the string of zeros after the 1—but it isn’t the 1. Because fewer and fewer people use search engines now, GEO content optimization really can raise a brand’s visibility, and it can convert traffic better too. And to some degree it’s a third party vouching for you, not the brand talking about itself, so it carries more weight than other sources do.
[02:55] But like I said, ranking alone does nothing. If the product is weak, visibility backfires on it. Get the product and the brand right first, then talk about GEO. And like I just mentioned, GEO can only raise the odds of a large language model picking up your brand and product information—it can’t decide how the model uses that information. Let me use that tablet I went and bought a while back as an example. I bought an Honor tablet, a really good tablet. So how did I
[03:20] use AI to help me find that perfect tablet for me? Let me show you the research report Claude Code gave me at the time. The prompt I gave it: a tablet released after February 2026, 12 to 14 inches, and it has to be an Android tablet. I don’t like the iPad, and I’m not a big fan of using HarmonyOS either, so I restricted it—I need an Android tablet. I also listed a few things I care about: it has to be as thin and light as possible, the screen quality as good as possible,
[03:45] and ideally a high screen-to-body ratio—meaning narrow bezels, and ideally equal width on all four sides, because I’m OCD about that. Narrow bezels, equal on all four sides, gets the top score. So AI did deep research and a head-to-head comparison based on my requirements. And all the information it got during that comparison came from sources it judged more trustworthy. You can see it listed a lot of brands—20-some tablets in total—and generated a full spec-by-spec comparison for me, and it highlighted the best
[04:10] value in each row of the comparison. Like resolution—whose resolution is highest, whose screen PPI is sharpest, whose refresh rate is highest, whose brightness is highest. It compared all of it. Then based on my requirements it picked out that if I’m optimizing for sharpness, the vivo Pad6 Pro is the best choice, because it really is a fantastic 4K screen, hitting 347 PPI, incredibly fine. But from other angles—weight, say—Honor’s MagicPad 3 Pro is only 450 grams,
[04:36] way lighter than anything else in its class. It’s the thinnest, too, and it’s got the biggest screen-to-body ratio, with equal, very narrow bezels on all four sides. So based on the things I care about most, it produced a weighted-average score table. And in the end Honor’s MagicPad 3 Pro, the 12.3-inch one, got the highest weighted score. I bought it and I love it. It really is so, so thin, equal bezels all around, no hole-punch, and unbelievably light—the weight of two phones. So you might ask, in that whole process,
[05:02] does GEO matter? It does. And in that process not only does GEO matter, SEO matters too. Because what I asked about was new models released after February 2026, which means the model’s own knowledge base doesn’t necessarily have detailed information on them. Which means the agent has to go run a web search itself instead of me doing it, and put that together with what the model already knows, to hand me a report and a conclusion the way a consultant would. If you hadn’t done GEO or SEO, your product’s specs couldn’t possibly get pulled into that comparison. But the flip side is, even if you’ve done all the
[05:27] SEO and GEO work—if the product isn’t good, if the product itself doesn’t grab the consumer, which is my core argument here, then when the product is weak on substance, showing up does nothing for you. You can see that once the information got processed, I didn’t see a single brand’s value proposition, or ad slogan, or any of that “domestic hardware, way out ahead” stuff. None of it. What I saw was purely why this product fits my requirements. So at this point—how much GEO really does for you, which brands should use it and which brands shouldn’t—I think you
[05:52] already have your own answer. Let me know in the comments. And that’s it for this episode. See you next time, bye-bye.